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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 9221750" data-attributes="member: 6696971">1)  Where is this idea coming from that individual 4e players and individual 4e tables couldn't opt-out of weapon/martial-keyword attacks generating Damage on a Miss coming from?  Its trivial to do so.I'm looking at the log of the current 4e game I'm running.  The first three combats of the Heroic Tier saw the following PC/PC assets like Companions/Summons etc (I'm going to keep it just to PC or the data will skew even further in the opt-out direction but this time for the GM) weapon/martial-keyword attacks that featured DaoM:1/19One...in nineteen.  Ok, let me look at the second to last combat (the last one was an alternate Win Con "chase conflict embedded in a combat" so I'm not going to look at tha tone) for late Heroic Tier that features the primary weapon/martial-keyword using PC and assets:0/14Zero...in fourteen.So in 4 combats, seeing 33 weapon or martial attacks performed, 1 singular attack features Damage on a Miss.I guess the players of this game were just miraculously capable of an engineering feat that achieves the nigh-impossible escape velocity necessary to thwart 4e's overwhelming Damage on a Miss gravity!2)  And ok, 4e was just a big WotC psy-op to capture the Minis market?  I've seen that working hypothesis (which is just another edition war epithet).  Well then:* Worlds and Monsters (the game's primer) would then be about the worst BUY MINIS primer ever.  Its all about the game's fiction and sites of thematic conflict with nothing about mechanics or minis.* If 4e was just a big WotC psy-op to sell minis, how does that comport with the other great edition war epithet that 4e was just a big ole WotC psy-op to convince the World of Warcraft player-base to move their virtual play from WoW to a 4e virtual tabletop?  That doesn't seem particularly amenable to buying and deploying figurines for use on physical tables in meat-space!And its not clear to me how the 4e primer Worlds and Monsters was supposed to appeal to these folks either (the large number of Diablo players on the console who were captured by the myth and thematic conflict of that game...sure!).* In terms of meatspace 4e games, I've run 2 games fully levels 1-30, 1 game full Heroic Tier, 1 game full Paragon Tier, 1 game using the Neverwinter scheme of levels 1-10 runs through the entire Heroic/Paragon/Epic Tier experiences.  In terms of PBP, I've run 5 games (with one current).  Of those games, you have 18 players.  Of all of those games and 18 players (including the PBPs...of which 4e is an absolute cinch to run for...which oddly doesn't support either Mini-enthusiast capture or VTT, WoW-player capture!), guess how many Minis have been deployed?0, zip, zilch, nada!Any position that 4e is just a superficial boardgame and a cynical ploy to capture the Minis/WoW market while being indifferent to excluding longterm D&D players (such as myself and the 18 players mentioned above) is just edition-warring nonsense.</blockquote>

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