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Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023
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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9221791" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>This seems doubtful considering that 4e was designed to be played with a VTT that never came to fruition due to unfortunate circumstances. </p><p></p><p></p><p>IMHO, DoaM gets overstated in 4e precisely because it's not as ubiquitous or prevalent as people make it out to be.</p><p></p><p>Only one out of four at-will Fighter abilities at level 1 in the PHB1 are DoaM: i.e., <em><strong>Reaping Strike</strong></em>, which is described as a flurry of fast attacks. There are a grand total of six powers in the base 4e PHB1 Fighter with "miss" properties, including the aforementioned one.</p><p></p><p>In addition, there are two additional powers among the four Fighter Paragon paths with the "miss" property. So the<em> vast</em> majority of your Fighter attacks made with a weapon that miss will result in the defender taking 0 damage.</p><p></p><p>With the exception of the level 1 at-will power, these Fighter miss powers are <strong>all</strong> attached to once-per-day Daily powers. (Remember the logic we heard time and time again of how it feels bad for spellcasters to expend a limited once-per.day spell slot and not get some effect? Same logic applies here too.)</p><p></p><p>Moreover, keep in mind that not every "on a miss" descriptor you find in the PHB results in damage! A miss with the Fighter's <strong><em>Villain's Menace</em></strong> power, for example, results in the defender taking 0 damage; however, the Fighter then gains a +1 to attacks and +2 to damage against the opponent until the end of the encounter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 9221791, member: 5142"] This seems doubtful considering that 4e was designed to be played with a VTT that never came to fruition due to unfortunate circumstances. IMHO, DoaM gets overstated in 4e precisely because it's not as ubiquitous or prevalent as people make it out to be. Only one out of four at-will Fighter abilities at level 1 in the PHB1 are DoaM: i.e., [I][B]Reaping Strike[/B][/I], which is described as a flurry of fast attacks. There are a grand total of six powers in the base 4e PHB1 Fighter with "miss" properties, including the aforementioned one. In addition, there are two additional powers among the four Fighter Paragon paths with the "miss" property. So the[I] vast[/I] majority of your Fighter attacks made with a weapon that miss will result in the defender taking 0 damage. With the exception of the level 1 at-will power, these Fighter miss powers are [B]all[/B] attached to once-per-day Daily powers. (Remember the logic we heard time and time again of how it feels bad for spellcasters to expend a limited once-per.day spell slot and not get some effect? Same logic applies here too.) Moreover, keep in mind that not every "on a miss" descriptor you find in the PHB results in damage! A miss with the Fighter's [B][I]Villain's Menace[/I][/B] power, for example, results in the defender taking 0 damage; however, the Fighter then gains a +1 to attacks and +2 to damage against the opponent until the end of the encounter. [/QUOTE]
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