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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9224036" data-attributes="member: 22779">And I get that.  And I have so much respect for the OSR movement.  They've clearly declared that continuity and legacy is important and are proudly standing on that hill.But, then you have 5e.  Take the recent example of alignment.  4e is decried because it changes alignment.  Fair enough.  That's factually true.  They changed alignment.Then 5e comes along and says, "Hold my beer."  In 5e, alignment has been totally removed from the mechanics.  You could take a black marker to every example of where alignment is written in 5e and nothing would change.  It's entirely vestigial.  But, they used those magic 9 words, so, they must be respecting continuity right?  But, hang on, none of the classes are restricted by alignment (something that 4e brought to the table), none of the spells have anything to do with alignment.  Heck, Paladins can't even Detect Evil anymore.  And that's perfectly fine.  Totally respecting continuity?  Like I said, I can totally respect wanting legacy and continuity.  It might not be important to me, but, I get that it's important.  But, it seems like continuity or legacy is only important if someone doesn't like something.  If someone likes Change X, then continuity is totally unimportant.  We can change things all we like (5e alignment as an example).  But, if we don't like something, whoa Nelly.  We MUST respect legacy.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />  It's so obviously self serving.----And, speaking of self serving.  A point that hasn't really been raised here is the biases of Ben Rigg's himself.  I mean, he's selling a book.  He's not about to tell a significant portion of his potential audience anything they don't already want to hear.  Not if he wants to keep selling books after all.  It's hardly surprising that he's taking the position that he is.  And, to be fair, it's an easy position to take.  The run up to 4e was horrible.  Absolutely a master class in what not to do when marketing a new product.  Plus all the other crap that went on - the GSL, the murder/suicide, Hasbro's unrealistic goals, etc - it's not a surprise that 4e thudded into the ground hard.To me, the true beauty of all of this is how WotC has managed to get ahead of all of the failures of 4e and manage the fandom so well for the past decade.  They've managed to institute a system where they can make all these changes, which were absolutely rejected in 4e, and make them applauded in 5e.</blockquote>

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