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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9224486" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>I know that [USER=6690965]@Pedantic[/USER] also addressed this, but I wanted to talk about alignment in relation to the Gnome Issue.</p><p></p><p>If you recall, one of the issues that the uncovered later on with 4e was the removal of gnomes. They assumed it would be fine, because so few people played gnomes. But the problem with that is that the people who played gnomes, <em>played gnomes</em>, and that playing groups consist of 4-6 people, so if you had two random D&D groups (for example), you probably strongly alienated one person in one group from 4e.</p><p></p><p>... and we know how group dynamics work. If you have one person in your playing group that refuses to play, or is constantly complaining, you'll eventually stop playing.</p><p></p><p>It's the same with a lot of changes. A lot of people don't care about alignment. But some people <em>really do. </em>Whether it's because they actually like the old alignment system, or because they like creating "What alignment is Batman" memes, they like the 9 alignments. In a certain way, 4e's choice was the worst possible move; it was ahistorical (neither the 3-alignment system nor the nine-alignment system) and it also didn't do away with it. There are some people that really liked it, but a lot of people? Well, that was <em>their gnome</em>. </p><p></p><p>Now from your perspective, 5e just split the baby. They brought back the old alignments, but decoupled the alignment system from almost all mechanics. To you, that's meaningless. But to many other people, that's the solution- people who like alignment can keep writing "LG" or "CN" or making their memes, and people who don't like alignment don't have to worry about classes and abilities being kept behind arbitrary alignment doors. It's almost the equivalent of fan service in a movie- people that recognize it can enjoy it and pat themselves on the back for the continuity, and people that don't care don't have to worry about it. </p><p></p><p>Is it self-serving? Yes, self-serving in the sense that they want to eat their cake and sell it to the most people possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9224486, member: 7023840"] I know that [USER=6690965]@Pedantic[/USER] also addressed this, but I wanted to talk about alignment in relation to the Gnome Issue. If you recall, one of the issues that the uncovered later on with 4e was the removal of gnomes. They assumed it would be fine, because so few people played gnomes. But the problem with that is that the people who played gnomes, [I]played gnomes[/I], and that playing groups consist of 4-6 people, so if you had two random D&D groups (for example), you probably strongly alienated one person in one group from 4e. ... and we know how group dynamics work. If you have one person in your playing group that refuses to play, or is constantly complaining, you'll eventually stop playing. It's the same with a lot of changes. A lot of people don't care about alignment. But some people [I]really do. [/I]Whether it's because they actually like the old alignment system, or because they like creating "What alignment is Batman" memes, they like the 9 alignments. In a certain way, 4e's choice was the worst possible move; it was ahistorical (neither the 3-alignment system nor the nine-alignment system) and it also didn't do away with it. There are some people that really liked it, but a lot of people? Well, that was [I]their gnome[/I]. Now from your perspective, 5e just split the baby. They brought back the old alignments, but decoupled the alignment system from almost all mechanics. To you, that's meaningless. But to many other people, that's the solution- people who like alignment can keep writing "LG" or "CN" or making their memes, and people who don't like alignment don't have to worry about classes and abilities being kept behind arbitrary alignment doors. It's almost the equivalent of fan service in a movie- people that recognize it can enjoy it and pat themselves on the back for the continuity, and people that don't care don't have to worry about it. Is it self-serving? Yes, self-serving in the sense that they want to eat their cake and sell it to the most people possible. [/QUOTE]
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