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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9224811" data-attributes="member: 6877472">So I played a Seeker, and many of it's powers were strictly inferior to those of other controllers.  And one of it's support feats (available at Paragon) increased the damage of it's ranged basic attacks (?), not the sort of thing you'd expect from a controller class.The Battlemind not having access to a decent melee basic attack meant that you could just walk away from one and unless they managed to have a decent Strength, their opportunity attack was anemic.  The original feat that fixed this, letting you use another ability score to determine your basic attacks attack and damage was nerfed when Essentials came out to no longer give you your full damage.Paladin marks were not terrifyingly damaging in the first place, and until Divine Sanction was added to powers later, they had no way to mark more than one foe.It may be that your experience showed that a lackluster class could still perform quite well, but I actually watched a lot of optimization going on in order to make some of these classes shine, like the Sorcerer in my Scales of War group, who became a Demonskin Adept to get Demonsoul Bolts in order to give themselves a power that actually did Striker-level damage*.*Obviously what this entailed varies from group to group, but the Ranger and the Barbarian were much better than many other Striker classes.  One of our 4e DM's constantly complained how much damage our characters did, and I was like, uh, you really have no idea.He didn't believe us until me and my friend showed up for an LFR game with new characters just to prove the point.  My friend's Ranger ended up in a solo battle against an Elite, and it died before he was even done attacking.When we faced a solo, I charged and used Life-Ending Strike for 4 [W] weapon damage, taking it past bloodied in one attack.  -I generally was more interested in making, well, "interesting" characters with 4e than anything along these lines, but there was a pretty sharp divide between well-supported classes and the not-so.</blockquote>

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