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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9225160" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>Sure, but that's not how it's been talked about in here. People are talking about how it's "illogical" or "mind control" because they aren't engaging with the system. I mean, it's kind of like critiquing my local bagel place for not serving fries: I'm not really critiquing it on what's it's trying to do. I'm reminded of Roger Ebert and how it tried to judge a movie on what it was trying to do rather than to always trying to compare it to <em>Citizen Kane</em>. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, but my point is why is that actually a part of the discussion about the game when that's about <em>the player</em>? Again, it's like trying to critique <em>Blades in the Dark</em> for not using HP to model damage on an opponent: there are critiques you could make about how combat works in that system that engages with what it's trying to do, but asking why it's not like D&D is a flaw of the critique and not the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 9225160, member: 6778210"] Sure, but that's not how it's been talked about in here. People are talking about how it's "illogical" or "mind control" because they aren't engaging with the system. I mean, it's kind of like critiquing my local bagel place for not serving fries: I'm not really critiquing it on what's it's trying to do. I'm reminded of Roger Ebert and how it tried to judge a movie on what it was trying to do rather than to always trying to compare it to [I]Citizen Kane[/I]. Yeah, but my point is why is that actually a part of the discussion about the game when that's about [I]the player[/I]? Again, it's like trying to critique [I]Blades in the Dark[/I] for not using HP to model damage on an opponent: there are critiques you could make about how combat works in that system that engages with what it's trying to do, but asking why it's not like D&D is a flaw of the critique and not the game. [/QUOTE]
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