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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Red Castle" data-source="post: 9225344" data-attributes="member: 7040765">I would say it's more like ordering fries expecting Standard Cut and getting Steak Cut instead. 4e was still DnD. Every edition makes change. 3e moved away from thaco and made major change to how multiclass works, but it was still very much DnD. I fully understand that 4e made changes that a lot of players hated, or thought that they were too much, but at the end of the day, it was very much still DnD, just like any edition before it (or after). It has a lot more in common with prior edition than it has opposite.PS I know you were expending on Justice metaphor so I don't think you believe 4e was not DnD.</blockquote>