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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 9227621" data-attributes="member: 48965">If you're speaking to me personally neither DoaM or Warlords have been in my issues with 4e... SC's, combat length, over abundance of powers, necessities in order to play the tactical combat of 4e, DC treadmill and a few others are the problems I had with the game...My point is that playing the victim over 4e is getting a little tired at this point especially since the books as well as Dragon and Dungeon are all available now. 4e fans have enough material available to play for years (certainly more than 5e fans have at this point) but thats still not good enough... Its like if one doesn't agree that they like everything in 4e and it's the greatest D&D evah!!! There's a group on here who paints you as victmizing/edition warring/whatever... even in threads about 4e's problems... here they come to defend the game from any type of disparagement.</blockquote>