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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yalım" data-source="post: 9227742" data-attributes="member: 94569">There's plenty of that in every edition in my experience, but I see it frequently used as the default way to knock down complaints.In an exchange about how 4e classes feel too similar (fighter & paladin in this particular discussion), I got: "The people who repeat that line over and over did not play a lot of 4e, straight up. It's one of those internet only lines that gets regurgitated as truth even though classes played extremely differently."In response to disliking vancian casting as default in PF2: "Only bad on the surface, focus spells and staves/wands/scrolls help mitigate the problems. Plus, once you get the game sense for it, it becomes even less punishing."Or this bizarre exchange about disliking 4e's marking, which was described as a way to pull aggro: "There was no aggro mechanic in 4e.  There was a mechanic to let defenders hit enemies that ignored them. You clearly have no experience with what you are talking about."The conversation is usually some variation on:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Person X writes some criticism of a game</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Person Y says "once you're good this isn't a problem" or "have you even played [game]?"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">X say "yes"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Y repeats that X must not be very good or X must not have actually played. Predictable internet argument occurs.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Continue until someone gives up or a moderator locks the thread.</li> </ol>As a person who didn't join this forum until 2010 and posted very little until 2023, it's weird to hear so many references to 4e always being disparaged and 5e never getting ragged on. My experience since I joined D&D-related social media in 2006~07-ish has been the diametric opposite. 4e fans telling me that my distastes are skill issues & constant ragging about 5e. I remember on GitP in 2014-ish there were hundreds of pages of threads making fun of 5e, with snarky thread titles like "The 15-Minute Designer Workday" and "Desperately Playing It Safe".</blockquote>

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