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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 9227752" data-attributes="member: 6778210">Can you link to the thread so we can see it ourselves? Cherry-picking a single comment from Reddit is not exactly a convincing argument.I honestly don't see what's wrong with this. Sometimes people have in-built biases that make it hard to actually see how the mechanic works or prevents them from using it as intended. That's not meant to be insulting, but simply that sometimes people don't realize they are doing something wrong or missing something because they aren't looking for it in the first place. This is pretty common in PF2 because things are relatively similar, but different: my immediate thought is to how AoOs are rarer but more important in the action economy and activate more often, which means things like tripping take on new value compared to 5E. It's something that you might miss (in fact, a mid-sized YouTuber missed it when talking about PF2), but it can really change how you use certain tools.Again, link? It's easy to cherry-pick people, but that doesn't really give us an actual picture of the actual community and thread.I mean, we get these in any system. I'm reminded of people telling 5E players that Martials are actually great, you just gotta "improvise" and such. If you want to show that this is endemic, you might want to link to the threads rather than giving us a few posts.I mean, that's not my experience from being online for 15 years now, but sometimes you don't see certain things because your biases simply conceal them. As someone who didn't like 4E and over time came to really appreciate it, I really don't share your opinion and I've seen way more unfair criticism of 4E than any two other systems out there. I'm not even in love with the system, but I know who catches what online, and there's nothing quite like watching dozens of people say "This is just a wargame" that probably makes people a bit more stiff in their welcomes when you come at them with old arguments.If that's the worst 5E got, then honestly it should count itself lucky.</blockquote>

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