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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9227759" data-attributes="member: 82106">My feeling is that 4e, PF2e, 13a, and 5e just occupy certain spaces within the range of reasonable D&D-esque, d20-derived, systems, but within that space they're not especially close. So, 4e is over to one edge on "shared class structure" and the other 3 are over in the 'not shared' category, with some variation, for instance. BA is an odd concept that only 5e, of any D&D-like that I know of, has really ever tried. I'm not particularly enamored of the results. The skill system that came out of it is rather bad in some ways, for instance. The problem fundamentally is, if you are going to have a certain range of power levels within the game, you need a certain degree of progression, and the VERY VERY simplest way, which actually seems to work fine in the other 3 games, to do that is a monotonically increasing attack and defense bonus.I mean, I get the theory, a whole bunch of orcs can threaten a 10th level fighter! Yeah, in theory... But have you ever tried to run 50 orcs? I mean, it gets old quickly and they can only actually threaten the fighter if they can all focus attacks on him, which is unlikely to transpire in any decently designed scenario. Within the limits where such things are likely to be actually reasonable, 4e manages to handle it anyway, you can have level 1 goblins jumping a level 5 party. It will be fairly predictably a lopsided fight, but I actually did it, with goblins! It worked. Heck, amusingly the goblins dice got hot and the PCs discovered that their steamroller had sprung a bit of a leak... Pitted a Carrion Crawler (level 7 standard Soldier) against a level 1 party and that worked too! So I never was sold on it that much.</blockquote>

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