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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yalım" data-source="post: 9227821" data-attributes="member: 94569">In a vain attempting at preventing this from becoming a multiquote lollapalooza, I'm going to consolidate the two source requests.I definitely don't mean to imply that my 5-odd quotes were the definitive representation of every comment about every D&D discussion I've read online, which seems to be what you're aiming at with notes about "the actual picture of the actual community". I'd say that a dismissive comment along the lines of what I posted gets trotted out at least once or twice in every reddit thread that discusses the edition, but my highest-effort experience with those involves copy/pasting the funnier ones to share and then moving on. I was able to find one of these with some search-fu, but I can't pull the other up despite my best efforts.But more importantly, I don't really want to convince anyone here that their experience is fake or wholly non-representative or whatever. I see comments here that I think are pretty reductive or cherry-picked (and its weird that those seem to get <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/ben-riggs-what-the-heck-happened-with-4th-edition-seminar-at-gen-con-2023.699181/page-342#post-9227545" target="_blank">liked </a>in some <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/ben-riggs-what-the-heck-happened-with-4th-edition-seminar-at-gen-con-2023.699181/page-343#post-9227607" target="_blank">places</a> and questioned in others), so all I'm trying to do is lend a small voice in a sea of dissenting opinions.And now that I've cleverly delayed my one actual link (I am bracing for its inevitable dissection...), here's the thread complaints of inter-class gameplay being too similar. Tried to zoom in enough to keep it focused, but out enough to give some context: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/164zy02/why_tf_does_every_new_idea_have_to_be_a_subclass/jydjrdt/" target="_blank">link</a>Certainly, but when someone mentions not enjoying a certain element of gameplay, assuming it's because they're bad isn't the most clever play. Understandable? I guess. A little cringe-worthy? I think so. Notable enough remark on it once or twice in the 300th-ish page of a 350-page thread? Sure.Yeah, that was the point of my comment. The folks who are posting here don't have the same experience as me. Some of the enworld threads linked here are older than my account! I think your note on bias is probably relevant to those threads, but it's not really my place to tell you (or Hussar, or whoever else that's complaining about being yelled at for badwrongfun) that the conversations you're tired of never happened. I just want to give you my perspective: I've been on D&D related social media a similar amount of time, and I like to think I've formed a nuanced opinion of its positives (which exist!) and negatives (which also exist). I've found that reasoned criticism of 4e was frequently shouted down in some very unfair ways, ranging for passive-aggressive insults to outright hostility. It's the only edition that I still can't have a reasoned discussion about in any discord server. At least one person got banned from one of my discord servers ("my" as in I'm on it, not that I run it) because they were so obnoxious to other members.Do my 10~20 years of talking about D&D on the internet mean that your personal experience is fake? I don't think so. Does yours make mine fake? I certainly hope not.No worries, it wasn't <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That's the funny thing. If it were an issue with just a few sessions, I'd see this behavior in every game. But (again this is my experience!) I don't see it with 3e, with 5e, with most Apocalypse games, with Blades, with Infinity. I just see it with the tactics-heavy games. Couldn't tell you why.</blockquote>

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