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Bend bars/lift gates or strength check?
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<blockquote data-quote="ilgatto" data-source="post: 8494034" data-attributes="member: 86051"><p>Although I could be wrong, I don't think there is such a thing as a "strength check" in AD&D 2E. I have found that the phenomenon is mentioned twice in the PHB/DMG (under "Jogging and Running" and "Swimming" to be precise) and it is basically used to see how long a character can keep up what he/she's doing. There is some blurb in the PHBOR series about "opposed strength checks", which are largely used to resolve who wins when strength is involved.</p><p></p><p>I would therefore argue that a character must pass a "Bend Bars/Lift Gates" check for "feats of enormous strength" (such as bending a bar or lifting a gate) and that a "strength check" can be used for acts that involve strength in general. Using BB/LG checks whenever great strength is required has the added advantages of limiting chances of success, generating a sense of achievement when one is passed, and making very strong characters the ones to go to for "feats of enormous strength" - as opposed to just anyone. I would also argue that allowing PCs to make "ability score checks" (with their considerable chances of success because they are PCs) has a good chance of them developing a disregard for dangerous situations because they "will get out of it anyway". It is one of the things I have against the rules for Non-Weapon Proficiencies as they were presented in the PHB before the 1995 revision (which weren't that good either, but that's another story).</p><p></p><p>ilgatto</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ilgatto, post: 8494034, member: 86051"] Although I could be wrong, I don't think there is such a thing as a "strength check" in AD&D 2E. I have found that the phenomenon is mentioned twice in the PHB/DMG (under "Jogging and Running" and "Swimming" to be precise) and it is basically used to see how long a character can keep up what he/she's doing. There is some blurb in the PHBOR series about "opposed strength checks", which are largely used to resolve who wins when strength is involved. I would therefore argue that a character must pass a "Bend Bars/Lift Gates" check for "feats of enormous strength" (such as bending a bar or lifting a gate) and that a "strength check" can be used for acts that involve strength in general. Using BB/LG checks whenever great strength is required has the added advantages of limiting chances of success, generating a sense of achievement when one is passed, and making very strong characters the ones to go to for "feats of enormous strength" - as opposed to just anyone. I would also argue that allowing PCs to make "ability score checks" (with their considerable chances of success because they are PCs) has a good chance of them developing a disregard for dangerous situations because they "will get out of it anyway". It is one of the things I have against the rules for Non-Weapon Proficiencies as they were presented in the PHB before the 1995 revision (which weren't that good either, but that's another story). ilgatto [/QUOTE]
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