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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5904919" data-attributes="member: 87792">Funnily enough, I do exactly that when I DM.&nbsp; Thanks for the link <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The issue is that if I were an adventurer rogue, the first thing I'd do is try to learn a few spells as well.&nbsp; If magic is as ubiquitous or powerful everyone sensible should have some. - and without stepping outside their class.&nbsp; Give magic serious risk or cost and not so much.Unless you only need to do it once or twice per day.&nbsp; And why would the rogue not try to memorise and prepare a few spells that would help them be a rogue.Some people like playing without magic.&nbsp; Some know no better.&nbsp; But with the exception of Robilar who had 1:1 sessions, almost every famous member of Gygax's table in the OD&amp;D days was a rogue.&nbsp; And there's been massive MU inflation since - an odd level MU got one spell of their highest level in 1e, two in 2e (assuming specialist), three in 3e (four for a Focussed Specialist).&nbsp; According to Gygax the game was already unbalanced in 1e and it's got far worse since.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5904919, member: 87792"] Funnily enough, I do exactly that when I DM. Thanks for the link :) The issue is that if I were an adventurer rogue, the first thing I'd do is try to learn a few spells as well. If magic is as ubiquitous or powerful [I]everyone[/I] sensible should have some. - and without stepping outside their class. Give magic serious risk or cost and not so much. Unless you only need to do it once or twice per day. And why would the rogue not try to memorise and prepare a few spells that would help them be a rogue. Some people like playing without magic. Some know no better. But with the exception of Robilar who had 1:1 sessions, almost every famous member of Gygax's table in the OD&D days was a rogue. And there's been massive MU inflation since - an odd level MU got one spell of their highest level in 1e, two in 2e (assuming specialist), three in 3e (four for a Focussed Specialist). According to Gygax the game was already unbalanced in 1e and it's got far worse since. [/QUOTE]

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