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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 5906840" data-attributes="member: 1879">I think you're getting a bit overblown here. Magic is not an automatic "I win" button, nor is it consequence free, it simply has a different set of consequeces than other solutions.Locked Door:Solution - ConsequenceLockpick - Skill check, expose to trap/mimic/ear seekersKey -  noneMagic - Spell slot, Can set off trap or wards or magic detectorAxe - Time, loud, might set off trap, might make mimic crap itselfBribe the doorman - Cost, time, might be betrayedThat spell slot is not a negligable cost. A wizard has got, at best, 5 spell slots for 2nd level spells. Is he going to fill those with knocks? Why? Isn't freeing those slots up why he brought the [-]hobbit burglar[/-] rogue along in the first place? A rogue can make lockpick checks all day long with no risks besides the occasional trap and he has skills to detect those traps, unlike the wizard who needs to spend another spell slot to do that, for a few minutes. A Sorcerer is even worse, he gets to know 5 2nd level spells ever. If he spent one on knock he should get to open a door or two with it. Oh wait, someone could just buy a wand of knock! Then they don't need to worry about opening the next 50 doors! I should bloody well hope so! 4,500 gp, let's see what else <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/goodsAndServices.htm#" target="_blank">we might get with that money</a>. About a half-share in a longship or caravel. A trip to America for the entire party. A hireling wizard to cast the spell 75 times. Or a thousand skilled workmen for 2 solid weeks, enough time to excavate the entire dungeon from the top down like an archelogical dig!The cost of a knock spell is only trivial at high levels, and at high levels any door short of the gates of hell should be trivial. At that point the fighter has adamantine weapons and the wizard has disintegrate. Doors are not a problem anymore, it's what's behind them that worries you. Nor is magic universally applicable in 3e, 3e was rife with anti-magic zones which shut wizards down completely. A rogue never has to put up with anything like that.As far as 5e goes, I personally would like to see wizards have only a handful of vancian spells per day. Something like level or levelX2 spell levels worth, plus I want to see most 'utility' magic moved into the ritual magic space innovated by 4e.</blockquote>

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