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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Witness" data-source="post: 549680" data-attributes="member: 1500">A few questions and suggestions:For the Martial Monk, other than dropping them to d6 hp what changes are their from thePhB Monk?As for the Spiritual Monk, if you are going for something between a Monk and a spellcaster I suggest you look at Orienttal Adventures and the Rokogan D20 book (forgett the actual title).  In OA, their is a Shaman class which is a slighlty less powerful Cleric withsome martial arts feats. In the Rokgan book, their is a Monk class that is less adept at fighting unarmed, but gets other special powers.  I suggest  the following changes to the  Spirittual Monk.Raise the BAB to 3/4 level rather than 1/2 and drop the UAB. Max out the unarmed damage at d12 and raise the HP to d6.  That way they won't be as good as Monk when fighting unarmed, but they will have the hit points, and attack bonus to hold their own in a fight.  Change the spells so they go from 0 to 6th level instead of 0 to 9th.  An alternative to this is to give them their own spell list, not just the Clerics list.  Also, change their alignment to "only lawful" or remove tthe alignmentt restriction on the Martial Monk (in my mind, a Spiritual Monk is more likely to be lawful than a Martial Monk).   If you do stick with the Clerics spell list, you might want to limit them so they cannot cast chaotic and/or Evil Clerical spells.  Their AC bonus, speed bonus and unarmed fighting ability should more than make up for them not getting as many damaging and offensive spells.Edited fore speelleng.</blockquote>

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