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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MindxKiller" data-source="post: 6781088" data-attributes="member: 6802801"><p>Well then let me throw this out to you, instead of using the most favorable of calculations for the no feat barbarian, how about the level 20 comparison against that same AC target, where the featless barbarian does 31 dpr, and 46 while frenzied and caps out at 62 dpr when frenzied AND making his reaction attack. Meanwhile the barbarian with feats does 57 dpr, and 77 dpr for the round that he procs his PM reaction attack (which is fairly often.) I cannot fathom how you people balk at the idea that not using feats makes you substantially worse than those who do. 31 dpr compared to 57 dpr is pretty laughable, and when that berserker goes all out, he BARELY eeks out 5 dpr more than what the barbarian with feats does 24/7/365. Not to mention the barbarian with feats also gets an incredibly reliable reaction attack too, which then makes him even better than the frenzied berserker, except he can do it all day long with no penalties. You need feats to compete with those who have them, its inescapable.</p></blockquote><p></p>