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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5734154" data-attributes="member: 87792">Running the numbers, the Berserker gets better at wills, but the encounter and daily powers are exactly the same.  Defensively, the Barbarian's Agility is probably a match for either the sword and board tricks or the cloth armour feat intensive tricks - it all balances.  (Sword and Board has the advantage on [1w] attacks and the disadvantage on >[2W] attacks).Offensively I've aready noted that the primal at wills are not a match for frenzied martial at wills on optimal routes (rather than minion clearing - Howl of Fury/Savage Rend) or for that matter the frenzied MBA.  On the other hand, barbarians also get their Feral Might.  Assume for the sake of argument that Feral Might = Rageblood Vigour - it keeps the maths simpler.  Which gives the Barbarian a free charge attack if they kill anything.  And some free temps (not that it matters).Is the advantage beserkers get on their At Wills and OAs a match for the advantage Barbarians get with getting a charge attack for free most encounters?  I'm going to have to say "Not past second level".  Mathematical Assumptions:  Barbarian with Howling and Pressing Strike - two uses of howling, one of pressing, and two encounter powers in a five round fight.  Berserker with a +d8 melee attack in play.  Which means that the barbarian drops a total of six and a half points of damage.  On the other hand the charge attack does 3d6 + 5 (Str 18, +1 weapon) = 15.5 points of damage.  Triggered in 70% of fights (low estimate - the hit rate cancels with all the other hit rates if I ignore the +1) = just under half this damage expected, i.e. 10 points of damage bonus from the free charge.  Barb wins - but it took that second encounter power rather than an at will to make the barb win.  At first and second level, I think the advantage goes to the berserker due to the OAs, but the barbarian pulls ahead at third as at wills get less common and charge attacks more powerful.</blockquote>

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