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<blockquote data-quote="Forsythe" data-source="post: 1054145" data-attributes="member: 9715">okay...very interesting choices....Basically, in my gaming group and sessions, a spell can not be a powerhouse spell above 3rd lvl since it is so rarely used.&nbsp; So...sure I agree Shapechange is awesome...but no one ever really gets to play it every time they bring out their character.I will agree that scorching ray may be the new &quot;best&quot; spell.&nbsp; It is low enough level to be used almost immediately by mages...low enough that it can be metamagiked.Admit I had not looked too hard at Tasha's and now will...thanks.Regarding the downsides to enlarge....there are some...lower dex and AC...but with the change to power attack...and enlarged fighter (18 strength) using a greatsword with 2 hands is absolutely scary....at 1st lvl...with at least +5 to hit, dealing 3d6+6 per swing...with 10ft reach.So to be fair with my original question...what is the best new spell that is &lt;4th lvl.&nbsp; Thanks for the thoughts,Forsythe</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Forsythe, post: 1054145, member: 9715"] okay... very interesting choices.... Basically, in my gaming group and sessions, a spell can not be a powerhouse spell above 3rd lvl since it is so rarely used. So...sure I agree Shapechange is awesome...but no one ever really gets to play it every time they bring out their character. I will agree that scorching ray may be the new "best" spell. It is low enough level to be used almost immediately by mages...low enough that it can be metamagiked. Admit I had not looked too hard at Tasha's and now will...thanks. Regarding the downsides to enlarge....there are some...lower dex and AC...but with the change to power attack...and enlarged fighter (18 strength) using a greatsword with 2 hands is absolutely scary....at 1st lvl...with at least +5 to hit, dealing 3d6+6 per swing...with 10ft reach. So to be fair with my original question...what is the best new spell that is <4th lvl. Thanks for the thoughts, Forsythe [/QUOTE]

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