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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9592647" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I am playing a multiclassed Fey Wanderer Ranger/Glamour Bard.I have 9 levels in Ranger and am wondering what enchantment or illusion spell I should pick up from Bard 3.I only have a 14 Charisma so the save DC on my Bard spells and Beguiling Magic is not great (DC 14), but I have a 20 Wisdom so the save on Beguling Twist is good (DC 17).The idea is to cast an enchantment or Illusion, get whatever the spell does but also trigger Beguling Magic to Frighten an enemy and then Twist it if the bad guy saves against Beguiling Magic.&nbsp; My Ranger levels don't give me many options for Enchantment or Illusion.The downside is I am using an action for this, so it is a high opportunity cost.Here are some Candidates:Bane:&nbsp; Targets 3 individuals, but it is also concentration.Dissonant Whispers:&nbsp; One of my favorite spells all time, but the low DC means it will rarely work.&nbsp; Still gives a little bit of damage for the action use, which other save or suck don't.Command:&nbsp; Awesome powerful with a good DC and awesome on an upcast, but with a weak Charisma I would never upcast and as a 1st level spell it is meh.Mirror Image:&nbsp; Solid defensive spell.&nbsp; No save so low charisma does not matter.Invisibility:&nbsp; Does not play well with the Frightened condition.Any other ideas or thoughts?&nbsp; Realistically I will be using Beguiling magic probably 3 times a day (once for free and twice burning my inspiration)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9592647, member: 7030563"] I am playing a multiclassed Fey Wanderer Ranger/Glamour Bard. I have 9 levels in Ranger and am wondering what enchantment or illusion spell I should pick up from Bard 3. I only have a 14 Charisma so the save DC on my Bard spells and Beguiling Magic is not great (DC 14), but I have a 20 Wisdom so the save on Beguling Twist is good (DC 17). The idea is to cast an enchantment or Illusion, get whatever the spell does but also trigger Beguling Magic to Frighten an enemy and then Twist it if the bad guy saves against Beguiling Magic. My Ranger levels don't give me many options for Enchantment or Illusion. The downside is I am using an action for this, so it is a high opportunity cost. Here are some Candidates: Bane: Targets 3 individuals, but it is also concentration. Dissonant Whispers: One of my favorite spells all time, but the low DC means it will rarely work. Still gives a little bit of damage for the action use, which other save or suck don't. Command: Awesome powerful with a good DC and awesome on an upcast, but with a weak Charisma I would never upcast and as a 1st level spell it is meh. Mirror Image: Solid defensive spell. No save so low charisma does not matter. Invisibility: Does not play well with the Frightened condition. Any other ideas or thoughts? Realistically I will be using Beguiling magic probably 3 times a day (once for free and twice burning my inspiration) [/QUOTE]

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