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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 2513951" data-attributes="member: 10638">On a side-subect of &quot;wouldn't D&amp;D be easier if...&quot;, we were discussing which classes to make avaialable to newer players (including those who haven't played for a while).First, I don't think noobs should make their own characters.&nbsp; It may have been true in BD&amp;D to help learn the rules.&nbsp; However, now it just confuses all players and makes them frustrated and not want to play. Second, of all the classes, I think there are only TWO that a noob should be allowed to play:Fighter or Sorcerer&nbsp; .. and fighter is looking optional because of the complexity of trying to explain feats to the player.Of the other classes:Barbarian-Rage, very liitle role-playing possibility other than &quot;ugh, me kill&quot;Bard-Yea right.Cleric-Hmm.&nbsp; Turn undead.&nbsp; Spells.&nbsp; Fight. Domains. Druid-Yea right.Monk-You say that I shouldn't get involved in combat but I'm a really good fighter?Paladin-Alignment, turn, heal, what?!?!Ranger-I can do what?&nbsp; You need me to do what?&nbsp; Why are you always telling me what to do?Rogue-SKILLS.&nbsp; Discretion for stealing.&nbsp; Backstab.&nbsp; Nuff said.Wizard-What the hell is this list?&nbsp; Do I have tor ead all this? Metamagic what?!?!Psionic - What!?!? another book?&nbsp; What are these PSP's?&nbsp; Why can't I just get 2 per day?Hexblade, Healer, etc:&nbsp; What?!?! another book?Unearthed Arcana Generic Class:&nbsp; FEATS?&nbsp; SKILLS?&nbsp; What???&nbsp; How many rules are there to this stupid game?&nbsp; I hate this.&nbsp; Let's go play xbox.Third.&nbsp; What should a noob get to choose?&nbsp; A weapon or two if a fighter.&nbsp; A weapon or two if a Sorcerer and maybe choose between these two spells:&nbsp; do you want to charm people or do you want to blast them with a magic missile?&nbsp; Fourth:&nbsp; Roleplaying:&nbsp; The Noob should immediatley be assigned to another player as some kind of apprentice or cohort or 'relative' of the other character.Last:&nbsp; The DM should make their ability scores LOW and generic.&nbsp; The fewer modifiers the better.&nbsp; Feats should be automatic and not something that they have to calculate in combat:&nbsp; Toughness, save bonuses, and a skill bonus (something they'll never have to use).Thoughts?jh..</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 2513951, member: 10638"] On a side-subect of "wouldn't D&D be easier if...", we were discussing which classes to make avaialable to newer players (including those who haven't played for a while). First, I don't think noobs should make their own characters. It may have been true in BD&D to help learn the rules. However, now it just confuses all players and makes them frustrated and not want to play. Second, of all the classes, I think there are only TWO that a noob should be allowed to play: Fighter or Sorcerer .. and fighter is looking optional because of the complexity of trying to explain feats to the player. Of the other classes: Barbarian-Rage, very liitle role-playing possibility other than "ugh, me kill" Bard-Yea right. Cleric-Hmm. Turn undead. Spells. Fight. Domains. Druid-Yea right. Monk-You say that I shouldn't get involved in combat but I'm a really good fighter? Paladin-Alignment, turn, heal, what?!?! Ranger-I can do what? You need me to do what? Why are you always telling me what to do? Rogue-SKILLS. Discretion for stealing. Backstab. Nuff said. Wizard-What the hell is this list? Do I have tor ead all this? Metamagic what?!?! Psionic - What!?!? another book? What are these PSP's? Why can't I just get 2 per day? Hexblade, Healer, etc: What?!?! another book? Unearthed Arcana Generic Class: FEATS? SKILLS? What??? How many rules are there to this stupid game? I hate this. Let's go play xbox. Third. What should a noob get to choose? A weapon or two if a fighter. A weapon or two if a Sorcerer and maybe choose between these two spells: do you want to charm people or do you want to blast them with a magic missile? Fourth: Roleplaying: The Noob should immediatley be assigned to another player as some kind of apprentice or cohort or 'relative' of the other character. Last: The DM should make their ability scores LOW and generic. The fewer modifiers the better. Feats should be automatic and not something that they have to calculate in combat: Toughness, save bonuses, and a skill bonus (something they'll never have to use). Thoughts? jh .. [/QUOTE]

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