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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1863532" data-attributes="member: 17296">Actually, NOT allowing it would be a house rule, technically. As there indeed is a chart and rules in the core RAW for making wonderous items for that. They've even listed a few duplicate items that are both wonderous and potions, take the ungent of healing for example. Doing so uses the exact same rules, has the exact same cost, why should they continue to write duplicate items? For that matter, look at the ENWorld rules about posting, asking about priceing of magic items not specifically listed in the DMG is not a house rules forum question but a rules forum question, because the rules, as written, support the making of such items.Well, by RAW it's there, so by definition anything NOT allowed has to be specifically exluded, via house rules. But if you want to be pointed along that route, the same is true of any item, class ability, feat, or skill, whether or not it's in the core RAW, as these rules are.On the other other hand, While I would be the GM in question who would allow such items, I'm also the player who would never make such items. Why? Because, and I quote (myself) "Charged items are crap". Potions are a horrible investment, make a scroll, it does the same thing better, and without a feat. And for that matter, dont' make many scrolls. What a waste of gold and, more importantly, XP. Because if you never use it it is, indeed, a waste. And if you ever DO use it, you have just destroyed it. OK, ok, personal philosophy. But you don't save much gold with making potions or wands over purchasing them, potions and wands are of marginal use at decent (for a mage) levels... the only reason I even USE them is that selling them at half price isn't generally worth the bother. Craft wonderous item, on the other hand has, bar none, THE MOST items available to make. You want more first level spells? Pearl of power, only 500gold to make. And an unlimited number of "charges". In the short run you'll have saved more than enough gold to buy the paltry few wands or potions you might want by making wonderous items, and in the long run you're far, FAR ahead. Yea, toughness is a waste... and point blank and precise... well,that's TWO feats. If you're not going really heavy on the rays, forget it. (there are some reasons to go heavy on the rays, but it's a specialist type, for example Arcane Trickster-ish reason.And my alternative opinion.Never craft a single wand, and don't buy many either. Metamagic is awesome IF you're a sorc, but as a wizard I simply have to either call you lazy or tell you you shouldn't be a wizard, depending on why you didn't research the spell instead. If it's just because you didn't want to, lazy. If, on the other hand, you're DM doesn't allow spell research... well, it's unlikely that you should play with that DM anyhow. At least not as a wizard. Someone without the available time and imagination to invest into arbitrating this and keeping it balanced within the campaign isn't really worth playing under, IMO.Still, I do agree with craft wonderous and improved initiative. ^_^</blockquote>

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