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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 9455129" data-attributes="member: 9789">I've been using an 11th level wizard as my example, casting CME as 6th and MM as 5th. That does ~255 avg damage to a single target.At level 15, any wizard could pre-cast CME as 8th and MM as 7th. That's +10d8 per attack, with 9 attacks. 9d4+9+90d8=526.5 damage that cannot be avoided or saved against. As a comparison, a 5.0 CR 24 ancient red dragon has 546 HP, and no defense against this combo.Edit: just for completeness, at level 17, a wizard could pre-case CME at 9th and MM as 8th. That's +12d8 for 10 attacks. 10d4+10+120d8=695 avg damage. The 5.0 CR 30 god Tiamat has 615 HP and no defense against this combo.</blockquote>