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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9456768" data-attributes="member: 7030563">We are talking about upcasting CME at 9th level, which is a 17th level party minimum (20th level with all the caveats and multiclass that are getting thrown around).A party of 4 at 17th level needs CR23 to meet the "Deadly" threshold, and at 20th level even CR23 is not deadly for a party of 4.  And keep in mind RAW "Deadly" is not really very deadly in play beyond level 3.10th level is a completely different discussion.  TBH the spell is far more effective at 10th level upcast to 5th level against a CR14 level foe than it will be at 20th level upcast to 9th level against a CR24 level foe.</blockquote>