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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 7589635" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>I think SAD at lower levels is quite overrated. Just think about it that way:</p><p>at level 1 you need to invest quite heavily for at best +1 to hit/+1damage or 1 Spell DC. It only shows at higher level when you start increasing a single stat that enhances the gap between your best and your second best stat.</p><p></p><p>If you take standard human and use point buy, you can have 16/16/14/12/10/9. Or you can have 16/14/14/14/12/9 Both of those stat arrays would be more than good enough to be a passable tempest cleric. Compare those to the variant cleric with shilelagh from magic initiate: 16/16/13/10/10/8 or 16/14/14/12/10/8</p><p>What you get is 16 Wis, 16 Con and a 13 maybe in Str to not be slowed by chain armor.</p><p>The comparable stat array of the variant human would be 16 Wis, 14 Str and 16 Con, with a 12 left for Dex, Cha or Int. A little worse to hit, but you can use a better weapon (a battleaxe and a javelin once in a while).</p><p>You could also be a hill dwarf with 14 Str, 16 Con ,16 Wis. You hit a little worse, can still use better weapons and you even have 1 more hp per level and if you happen to get a plate armor, you are left with 5 more move speed</p><p>Instead of a dwarf, you could also be a wood elf cleric with 35 move speed, 16 Dex, a longbow and a rapier and 16 Wis. You don´t need as much con, as you can stay out of melee range well enough. Although you would not consider it a real gish, because as a gish you probably prefer melee.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 7589635, member: 59057"] I think SAD at lower levels is quite overrated. Just think about it that way: at level 1 you need to invest quite heavily for at best +1 to hit/+1damage or 1 Spell DC. It only shows at higher level when you start increasing a single stat that enhances the gap between your best and your second best stat. If you take standard human and use point buy, you can have 16/16/14/12/10/9. Or you can have 16/14/14/14/12/9 Both of those stat arrays would be more than good enough to be a passable tempest cleric. Compare those to the variant cleric with shilelagh from magic initiate: 16/16/13/10/10/8 or 16/14/14/12/10/8 What you get is 16 Wis, 16 Con and a 13 maybe in Str to not be slowed by chain armor. The comparable stat array of the variant human would be 16 Wis, 14 Str and 16 Con, with a 12 left for Dex, Cha or Int. A little worse to hit, but you can use a better weapon (a battleaxe and a javelin once in a while). You could also be a hill dwarf with 14 Str, 16 Con ,16 Wis. You hit a little worse, can still use better weapons and you even have 1 more hp per level and if you happen to get a plate armor, you are left with 5 more move speed Instead of a dwarf, you could also be a wood elf cleric with 35 move speed, 16 Dex, a longbow and a rapier and 16 Wis. You don´t need as much con, as you can stay out of melee range well enough. Although you would not consider it a real gish, because as a gish you probably prefer melee. [/QUOTE]
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