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Best Name For A “Leader” Class?
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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7905756" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>Oh it certainly can; real-world history is rife with examples.</p><p></p><p>But the issue isn't the lack of leadership, it's the possession of authority to lead in the first place.</p><p></p><p>This comes up in the PC party setting whenever someone rolls up a character with noble status. That character automatically has reason to assume the other PCs will do what they're told, largely because the noble PC has for all its life been surrounded by people whose job it is to do what they're told. As player I've been on both sides of this one - I've had a noble character, and had characters in parties with nobles. It never went smoothly. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I don't know what the 4e designers were thinking here: they took a term that clearly means one thing and then tried as hard as they could to change the definition to something else. It was something that made me facepalm as soon as I first read the 4e PH and DMG: they used the wrong term. Dumb idea then, dumb idea now.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but I'm one of those people who tends to define and interpret words according to their common usage. When I see "leader" I read it to mean "someone who leads" - and a large part of leadership, in a party setting, is getting other people - in this case the PCs - to follow you.</p><p></p><p>[USER=6993955]@Fenris-77[/USER] - you're absolutely right about the character whose forte is small-unit tactics taking point when such things are called for; but that character should then be called a Tactician, not a [insert synonym for Leader or Commander here].</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7905756, member: 29398"] Oh it certainly can; real-world history is rife with examples. But the issue isn't the lack of leadership, it's the possession of authority to lead in the first place. This comes up in the PC party setting whenever someone rolls up a character with noble status. That character automatically has reason to assume the other PCs will do what they're told, largely because the noble PC has for all its life been surrounded by people whose job it is to do what they're told. As player I've been on both sides of this one - I've had a noble character, and had characters in parties with nobles. It never went smoothly. :) Yeah, I don't know what the 4e designers were thinking here: they took a term that clearly means one thing and then tried as hard as they could to change the definition to something else. It was something that made me facepalm as soon as I first read the 4e PH and DMG: they used the wrong term. Dumb idea then, dumb idea now. Sorry, but I'm one of those people who tends to define and interpret words according to their common usage. When I see "leader" I read it to mean "someone who leads" - and a large part of leadership, in a party setting, is getting other people - in this case the PCs - to follow you. [USER=6993955]@Fenris-77[/USER] - you're absolutely right about the character whose forte is small-unit tactics taking point when such things are called for; but that character should then be called a Tactician, not a [insert synonym for Leader or Commander here]. [/QUOTE]
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