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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7240079" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>Here's the thing that I understand and that I think you are not understanding.&nbsp; Around character level 5 action surge and precision generally will do as much as the paladins smites even if you get no short rests.&nbsp; A paladin smiting with all his spells at level 5 will do 63 damage.&nbsp; A fighter Action Surging and precision attacking over a day with no short rests and even with just a longsword and duelist will do 13.65 with action surge (assuming 65% chance to hit) and will almost always turn 4 misses into hits yielding another 42 average damage.&nbsp; Altogether that's 55.65.&nbsp; In this scenario the Paladin is winning out by about 8-10 damage per day.&nbsp; However, if we change to using SS or GWM then the fighter suddenly starts winning that race by maybe about 20 damage.&nbsp; If you add in one short rest after that he really blows the paladins daily stuff out of the water.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7240079, member: 6795602"] Here's the thing that I understand and that I think you are not understanding. Around character level 5 action surge and precision generally will do as much as the paladins smites even if you get no short rests. A paladin smiting with all his spells at level 5 will do 63 damage. A fighter Action Surging and precision attacking over a day with no short rests and even with just a longsword and duelist will do 13.65 with action surge (assuming 65% chance to hit) and will almost always turn 4 misses into hits yielding another 42 average damage. Altogether that's 55.65. In this scenario the Paladin is winning out by about 8-10 damage per day. However, if we change to using SS or GWM then the fighter suddenly starts winning that race by maybe about 20 damage. If you add in one short rest after that he really blows the paladins daily stuff out of the water. [/QUOTE]

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