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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 4921889" data-attributes="member: 65726">This is a really close call for me. They both have good offensive and defensive options. They both have a good number of different options and paths they can go. Interesting weapon choices and power choices exist for both.For the Half-orc I can see starting with str 18, con 12, dex 18, int 8, wis 12, cha 10, and go for stormwarden with bastard swords. Or I can see str 18, con 14, dex 16, int 8, wis 13, cha 10 and go with a pair of waraxes, and do battle awareness/Kensei.Shifter obviously makes a great pit fighter with a wisdom focus. But another option is to balance it out for something like str 18, con 13, dex 14, int 8, wis 16, cha 10. This would allow going up to Scale, getting specialization, and with TWF, TWD, you can have respectable defense on top of all the other longtooth shifter goodnes. You also happen to qualify for HBO if you go that route.I'd enjoy playing either one, but I'm voting Half-orc because of the more proactive offensive options.</blockquote>