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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8679395" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Well, keep in mind, Clerics have the smallest spell list of the full casters, and it's not even by that small a step. Wizards have a total of 335 spells, which is the obvious high-end outlier. But even Warlocks have more spell options (134) than Clerics (125), despite intentionally being presented as a class with limited spells so they have to think carefully! Bards have over 30 more spells (156) and Druids have over 40 more (169).</p><p></p><p>One possibility could be that every Cleric gets the "Heal & Harm" sphere automatically, and then their subclass gives them one or two additional spheres. This would make each Cleric subclass much more distinct, and push the player to think more specifically along the lines associated with their deity, e.g. Bahamut might give the "Protection" sphere (full of defensive buffs, zones, walls, and protective utility spells) and the "Hope" sphere (full of support spells, offensive buffs, utility spells that improve local conditions, and cooperative/diplomatic spells), while Tiamat might give Pride (all self-buffs, mind control spells, illusions, etc.) and, I dunno, Destruction (elemental damage spells, disintegrate, disenchantment, spell negation/reversal, etc.)</p><p></p><p>Edit: In fact, if you're familiar with the "Spheres of Power" rules, which were originally made for Pathfinder and got a later adaptation to 5e, then something kinda-sorta like <em>those</em> spheres would be quite appropriate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8679395, member: 6790260"] Well, keep in mind, Clerics have the smallest spell list of the full casters, and it's not even by that small a step. Wizards have a total of 335 spells, which is the obvious high-end outlier. But even Warlocks have more spell options (134) than Clerics (125), despite intentionally being presented as a class with limited spells so they have to think carefully! Bards have over 30 more spells (156) and Druids have over 40 more (169). One possibility could be that every Cleric gets the "Heal & Harm" sphere automatically, and then their subclass gives them one or two additional spheres. This would make each Cleric subclass much more distinct, and push the player to think more specifically along the lines associated with their deity, e.g. Bahamut might give the "Protection" sphere (full of defensive buffs, zones, walls, and protective utility spells) and the "Hope" sphere (full of support spells, offensive buffs, utility spells that improve local conditions, and cooperative/diplomatic spells), while Tiamat might give Pride (all self-buffs, mind control spells, illusions, etc.) and, I dunno, Destruction (elemental damage spells, disintegrate, disenchantment, spell negation/reversal, etc.) Edit: In fact, if you're familiar with the "Spheres of Power" rules, which were originally made for Pathfinder and got a later adaptation to 5e, then something kinda-sorta like [I]those[/I] spheres would be quite appropriate. [/QUOTE]
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