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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1343248" data-attributes="member: 259"><p><strong>Vyper</strong>, trial and error gives me 2 and 9 as the numbers. Here's my thinking:</p><p> </p><p>A knows that however you divide the total of the number he's given, you get two numbers whose product can be reached in multiple ways. A number whose product can only be reached in one way keeps B from knowing the solution.</p><p> </p><p>For example, if A was given the number 8, that could be the total of the villain's secret numbers 5 and 3. But if that were the case, then their product would be 15, and if B were given 15, then B would know the villain's numbers were 5 and three. </p><p> </p><p>A knows that B can't know the answer, which tells us that the number A was given can't be the sum of any two such numbers.</p><p> </p><p>Eleven, however, can be broken down into 2 and 9 (product 18, reachable also by numbers 3 and 6); 3 and 8 (product 24, reachable also by numbers 4 and 6); 4 and 7 (product 28, reachable also by numbers 2 and 14); and 5 and 6 (product 30, reachable also by numbers 2 and 15). So if A were given the sum of 11, he would know that B couldn't possibly solve the problem.</p><p> </p><p>B has to work from that: once he finds out that A knows he couldn't solve it, then he has to look at the sums of the different factor-pairs he was given. We know that he was given either 18, 24, 28, or 30; now we have to see which of numbers can be factored in a way as to tell A that the problem is intractable.</p><p> </p><p>...and here I'm getting stuck to explain the rest of my reasoning. Am I on the right track, at least?</p><p> </p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 1343248, member: 259"] [b]Vyper[/b], trial and error gives me 2 and 9 as the numbers. Here's my thinking: A knows that however you divide the total of the number he's given, you get two numbers whose product can be reached in multiple ways. A number whose product can only be reached in one way keeps B from knowing the solution. For example, if A was given the number 8, that could be the total of the villain's secret numbers 5 and 3. But if that were the case, then their product would be 15, and if B were given 15, then B would know the villain's numbers were 5 and three. A knows that B can't know the answer, which tells us that the number A was given can't be the sum of any two such numbers. Eleven, however, can be broken down into 2 and 9 (product 18, reachable also by numbers 3 and 6); 3 and 8 (product 24, reachable also by numbers 4 and 6); 4 and 7 (product 28, reachable also by numbers 2 and 14); and 5 and 6 (product 30, reachable also by numbers 2 and 15). So if A were given the sum of 11, he would know that B couldn't possibly solve the problem. B has to work from that: once he finds out that A knows he couldn't solve it, then he has to look at the sums of the different factor-pairs he was given. We know that he was given either 18, 24, 28, or 30; now we have to see which of numbers can be factored in a way as to tell A that the problem is intractable. ...and here I'm getting stuck to explain the rest of my reasoning. Am I on the right track, at least? Daniel [/QUOTE]
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