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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Findlefarb" data-source="post: 2761572" data-attributes="member: 38455">For min/maxing, I'd still choose the gnome.Let's say the Human above can take an 18 Cha, 10 Con, and 14 Dex, and Toughness. That's 7 hp, 12 AC, +2 attack with the crossbow.Now, let's say you're a Gnome, with 18 Cha, 14 points in Con, and 10 Dex. The 14 Con becomes a 16 Con, and you've got 7 hp, 11 AC, +1 attack with the crossbow, and DC 16 Color Spray. You don't get the +2 Reflex and +2 initiative, but you get +3 Fortitude and +3 Concentration. That's good and survivable. In both cases, you've still got a feat to spend.But once you get to second level, the balance shifts. The human now has 9.5 HP on average, but the gnome is at 12.5 HP. The total just keeps going up from there. An average of 2.5 HP a level, +3 HP. That's more than double.If you can afford 18 Cha and 16 Dex with the human, then I'd go with gnome again, and get 18 Cha, 14 Con (turns to 16 Con), and 14 Dex (assuming standard point buy), and have all the benefits of the human, and more.ETA: Just to carry the HP thing out further, at 5th level, the human has 17 HP on average. The gnome, on the other hand, has 29 HP. And at 15th level, those totals are 42 for the human and 84 for the gnome. That's twice the hit points!</blockquote>