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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 1056163" data-attributes="member: 3887"><p><strong>Re: Re: Seeing as...</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think Bashir played dumb so much as he was honestly naive... </p><p></p><p>I liked Bashir being revealed as an ubermensch --sure, the way they introduced it a few years in was silly, but I liked how it added another layer to Bashir and O'Brien's relationship; they weren't just an odd couple, they were the Superman and the Everyman. I liked the rappore the characters had, even more so after it survived that kind of mythologizing. Those two archetypes are especially valuable to SF; one provides the vicarious release of a power-fantasy --I so want to throw darts like Julian-- and the the other is easily to indentify with, and comforting in its suggestion that through decentness and tenacity any crisis can be overcome...</p><p></p><p>Unlike TNG, DS9 works well in both modes: as "conventional" drama exploring two guys friendship over the years, and in the more superheated SF mode: where the characters symbolic function is explored through the use of a standard SF device.</p><p></p><p>Plus, I like that the whole genetic superman thing--barring the one episode-- wasn't used as a political allegory. Old-school SF would have used Julien's status as genetic "other" to comment on descrimination in the larger context of society. SF being used for social commentary is old hat, but SF used to better and more deeply investigate/describe interpersonal relationships; that's new, and fascinating, at least to me.</p><p></p><p>{Farscape did this too, in a way. It took the sloperatic excesses of pulp space adventure and put it in the service of a love story. In essence, the Crais/Scorpious/Scarran plot arcs were foils for the John and Aeryn stuff, their emotional turmoil underscored by vengeful Space Commanders w/big nasty spaceships, fetish bogeymen seeking Ultimate Weapons, and a galaxy generally going to hell in a handbasket}. </p><p></p><p>And don't get me started on the whole Major Kira/surrogate mother storyline. Let's just say there's no way it should have worked, and it did...</p><p></p><p>Ah well, to each his own. I think DS9 it did some pretty radical things, not just to the franchise --which I couldn't care less about-- but to SF in general. And sometimes in fairly subtle ways. Maybe you'll watch the rest of DS9 sometime and find something of value in it. I know I'll enjoy watching the entirety of B5, once I stop procrastinating and buy the DVD's.</p><p></p><p>[Hmmm, apparently I needed more work today....]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 1056163, member: 3887"] [b]Re: Re: Seeing as...[/b] I don't think Bashir played dumb so much as he was honestly naive... I liked Bashir being revealed as an ubermensch --sure, the way they introduced it a few years in was silly, but I liked how it added another layer to Bashir and O'Brien's relationship; they weren't just an odd couple, they were the Superman and the Everyman. I liked the rappore the characters had, even more so after it survived that kind of mythologizing. Those two archetypes are especially valuable to SF; one provides the vicarious release of a power-fantasy --I so want to throw darts like Julian-- and the the other is easily to indentify with, and comforting in its suggestion that through decentness and tenacity any crisis can be overcome... Unlike TNG, DS9 works well in both modes: as "conventional" drama exploring two guys friendship over the years, and in the more superheated SF mode: where the characters symbolic function is explored through the use of a standard SF device. Plus, I like that the whole genetic superman thing--barring the one episode-- wasn't used as a political allegory. Old-school SF would have used Julien's status as genetic "other" to comment on descrimination in the larger context of society. SF being used for social commentary is old hat, but SF used to better and more deeply investigate/describe interpersonal relationships; that's new, and fascinating, at least to me. {Farscape did this too, in a way. It took the sloperatic excesses of pulp space adventure and put it in the service of a love story. In essence, the Crais/Scorpious/Scarran plot arcs were foils for the John and Aeryn stuff, their emotional turmoil underscored by vengeful Space Commanders w/big nasty spaceships, fetish bogeymen seeking Ultimate Weapons, and a galaxy generally going to hell in a handbasket}. And don't get me started on the whole Major Kira/surrogate mother storyline. Let's just say there's no way it should have worked, and it did... Ah well, to each his own. I think DS9 it did some pretty radical things, not just to the franchise --which I couldn't care less about-- but to SF in general. And sometimes in fairly subtle ways. Maybe you'll watch the rest of DS9 sometime and find something of value in it. I know I'll enjoy watching the entirety of B5, once I stop procrastinating and buy the DVD's. [Hmmm, apparently I needed more work today....] [/QUOTE]
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