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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 220272" data-attributes="member: 4036">Yup.&nbsp; You can do double empowered bull's strengths too.&nbsp; Or triple empowered..&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But unfortunately while you can do an empowered maximized fireball, it doesn't work the way logic says it would.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; It has been ruled by the Sage that metamagic feats always affect the base spell, even multiple applications of feats or even the same feat.So a maximized empowered fireball has to be rolled.&nbsp; You then take half the roll (the empower) and add it to 60 (the maximize) for the total.&nbsp; Which of course won't add up to 90.&nbsp; Why he felt a 8th level spell doing 90 points of damage was unbalancing, I don't know.&nbsp; Especially when the saving throw for it is based off a 3rd level spells and even a minor globe of invulnerability can stop it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy, post: 220272, member: 4036"] Yup. You can do double empowered bull's strengths too. Or triple empowered.. :) But unfortunately while you can do an empowered maximized fireball, it doesn't work the way logic says it would. :) It has been ruled by the Sage that metamagic feats always affect the base spell, even multiple applications of feats or even the same feat. So a maximized empowered fireball has to be rolled. You then take half the roll (the empower) and add it to 60 (the maximize) for the total. Which of course won't add up to 90. Why he felt a 8th level spell doing 90 points of damage was unbalancing, I don't know. Especially when the saving throw for it is based off a 3rd level spells and even a minor globe of invulnerability can stop it. ;) [/QUOTE]

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