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<blockquote data-quote="Tonguez" data-source="post: 9633260" data-attributes="member: 1125"><p>Even if we just stick with Doc Savage (Clark Savage Jrn) as our Pulp archetype then it isnt just typical 1930s scenery. He might start off in New York but he very soon goes off to some exotic locales or lost world for the adventure. He fights would be world conquerors, dinosaurs, mad scientist with death rays, mutagens and ice guns and at least one opponent who might be from another dimension.</p><p>Looking at other tropes he's a Millionaire Industrialist who was <em>socially </em>engineered from birth by a team of scientist (including his millionaire father) to be a peak-human superman. He is as Strong as 10 Men, a Genius polymath with multiple advanced degrees, and has a superior moral compass that makes him heroic. Then following yet another trope - young Clarks father was killed by unknown enemies spurring him on to investigate, vowing to confront evil-doers. Doc Savage even has his own Fortress of Solitude!</p><p></p><p>Captain America was also engineered by a team of scientist to be as strong as 100 men, and Steve was selected for his superior moral compass.</p><p></p><p>Tony Stark is the Millionaire Philanthropist, Genius Polymath with multiple degrees</p><p></p><p>Even Superman was engineered by his scientist father and imbued with a superior moral compass</p><p></p><p>If you want Aliens - then Flash Gordon and John Carter of Mars are pulp era characters that battle aliens</p><p></p><p>So even without citing Batman the same tropes exist in both pulp and superheroes, especially in the golden age comics which absolutely were Pulp (its no coincidence that the poster boys for both are named Clark!).</p><p></p><p>Sure we get further development including massive ramping up of power levels in the silver age, especially with the concept of Cosmic Scale powers in the 60s and after, but I dont think you can meaningfully distinguish Doc Savage fighting mad scientist from Cap America or Iron Man doing the same thing with the same stakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tonguez, post: 9633260, member: 1125"] Even if we just stick with Doc Savage (Clark Savage Jrn) as our Pulp archetype then it isnt just typical 1930s scenery. He might start off in New York but he very soon goes off to some exotic locales or lost world for the adventure. He fights would be world conquerors, dinosaurs, mad scientist with death rays, mutagens and ice guns and at least one opponent who might be from another dimension. Looking at other tropes he's a Millionaire Industrialist who was [I]socially [/I]engineered from birth by a team of scientist (including his millionaire father) to be a peak-human superman. He is as Strong as 10 Men, a Genius polymath with multiple advanced degrees, and has a superior moral compass that makes him heroic. Then following yet another trope - young Clarks father was killed by unknown enemies spurring him on to investigate, vowing to confront evil-doers. Doc Savage even has his own Fortress of Solitude! Captain America was also engineered by a team of scientist to be as strong as 100 men, and Steve was selected for his superior moral compass. Tony Stark is the Millionaire Philanthropist, Genius Polymath with multiple degrees Even Superman was engineered by his scientist father and imbued with a superior moral compass If you want Aliens - then Flash Gordon and John Carter of Mars are pulp era characters that battle aliens So even without citing Batman the same tropes exist in both pulp and superheroes, especially in the golden age comics which absolutely were Pulp (its no coincidence that the poster boys for both are named Clark!). Sure we get further development including massive ramping up of power levels in the silver age, especially with the concept of Cosmic Scale powers in the 60s and after, but I dont think you can meaningfully distinguish Doc Savage fighting mad scientist from Cap America or Iron Man doing the same thing with the same stakes. [/QUOTE]
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