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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9634346" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Maybe I'm thinking too much of the BtaS portrayals of the characters but I'm not sure that's actually right.</p><p></p><p>Doesn't Dr Freeze's wife have a condition that science, worldwide, in general, doesn't yet have a cure for? He's fairly wealthy and powerful and a doctor, it's not that he can't access healthcare, it's that the healthcare doesn't exist. If he's stealing it's probably something unique for a device, or because he needs huge money to build a special device.</p><p></p><p>Poison Ivy on the other hand is powered by a mystical forced called the Green, which compels her towards her actions (to a degree depending on the source), and I think could have existed in any industrialized nation.</p><p></p><p>I think those are actually bad examples of Batman villains who couldn't have existed outside the US/Gotham - the ones who are better examples are those who are mentally ill and would have had huge difficulty accessing treatment or recognition, especially historically (but also in the present day).</p><p></p><p>I don't disagree with [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER]'s general take on Batman - I think that's about right, and he seems to get the villains sent to what he perfectly well knows is a completely dysfunctional mental health system (Arkham Asylum), which frankly, he could probably buy or intervene with and fix, as Bruce Wayne. It all works a bit better in a faux-1950s deal like BtaS.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, his is in some versions, not all, but that kind of makes it worse, because Arkham Asylum is universally, through all Batman Mythos I'm aware of (which is a fair bit), to be totally ineffectual, even at helping/rehabilitating the least-crazed and most reasonable people Bats sends there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9634346, member: 18"] Maybe I'm thinking too much of the BtaS portrayals of the characters but I'm not sure that's actually right. Doesn't Dr Freeze's wife have a condition that science, worldwide, in general, doesn't yet have a cure for? He's fairly wealthy and powerful and a doctor, it's not that he can't access healthcare, it's that the healthcare doesn't exist. If he's stealing it's probably something unique for a device, or because he needs huge money to build a special device. Poison Ivy on the other hand is powered by a mystical forced called the Green, which compels her towards her actions (to a degree depending on the source), and I think could have existed in any industrialized nation. I think those are actually bad examples of Batman villains who couldn't have existed outside the US/Gotham - the ones who are better examples are those who are mentally ill and would have had huge difficulty accessing treatment or recognition, especially historically (but also in the present day). I don't disagree with [USER=86653]@overgeeked[/USER]'s general take on Batman - I think that's about right, and he seems to get the villains sent to what he perfectly well knows is a completely dysfunctional mental health system (Arkham Asylum), which frankly, he could probably buy or intervene with and fix, as Bruce Wayne. It all works a bit better in a faux-1950s deal like BtaS. I mean, his is in some versions, not all, but that kind of makes it worse, because Arkham Asylum is universally, through all Batman Mythos I'm aware of (which is a fair bit), to be totally ineffectual, even at helping/rehabilitating the least-crazed and most reasonable people Bats sends there. [/QUOTE]
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