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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 289409" data-attributes="member: 3424">Your best bet may be to use Ice Knife (Sor/Wiz 2) from Tome and Blood.&nbsp; It creates an ice missile that does 1d8 piercing damage, 1d8 cold damage and (this is the important part) 2 points of cold Dexterity damage.Since even the most powerful red dragon has an average Dexterity of 10, 5 hits will render it helpless.&nbsp; You may need less if you manage a critical hit for double damage or if you can persuade your DM that &quot;cold&quot; Dexterity damage means that it will do 4 points of Dexterity damage against a Fire creature.In order to make sure that you hit, prepare True Strike, quickened if possible so you can get it off in the same round that you cast Ice Knife.&nbsp; Since you're a 12th level caster, you can even use Twin Spell on Ice Knife to double its effect.Make sure your protections are up, especially against fire.&nbsp; Summon plenty of fire-immune creatures as well (imps, hell hounds and magmin are 4th-level summons), to provide flanking partners and as cannon fodder.You still have to beat its spell resistance, though.&nbsp; And really really hope that the dragon doesn't have access to Globe (or Minor Globe) of Invulnurability (which will negate all low-level spells) or any way to cure ability damage, like Restoration (or its greater and lesser versions) or Heal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 289409, member: 3424"] Your best bet may be to use [I]Ice Knife[/I] (Sor/Wiz 2) from Tome and Blood. It creates an ice missile that does 1d8 piercing damage, 1d8 cold damage and (this is the important part) 2 points of cold Dexterity damage. Since even the most powerful red dragon has an average Dexterity of 10, 5 hits will render it helpless. You may need less if you manage a critical hit for double damage or if you can persuade your DM that "cold" Dexterity damage means that it will do 4 points of Dexterity damage against a Fire creature. In order to make sure that you hit, prepare [I]True Strike[/I], quickened if possible so you can get it off in the same round that you cast [I]Ice Knife[/I]. Since you're a 12th level caster, you can even use Twin Spell on [I]Ice Knife[/I] to double its effect. Make sure your protections are up, especially against fire. Summon plenty of fire-immune creatures as well (imps, hell hounds and magmin are 4th-level summons), to provide flanking partners and as cannon fodder. You still have to beat its spell resistance, though. And really really hope that the dragon doesn't have access to [I]Globe (or Minor Globe) of Invulnurability[/I] (which will negate all low-level spells) or any way to cure ability damage, like [I]Restoration[/I] (or its greater and lesser versions) or [I]Heal[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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