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<blockquote data-quote="Conaill" data-source="post: 291023" data-attributes="member: 1264">Nvvyn, if you want us to give you some useful advice, I would have to agree with the earlier person who said that we would need to know more about how your DM runs dragons. An overview of the earlier fight with the blue and red would be *very* helpful.Why? Well, it is abundantly clear to most of the people on this board (although maybe not to you) that your DM either sucks at playing bad guys, or is cutting you an enormous amount of slack. That makes this an entirely different game from what most of us are familiar with. So your question is not really &quot;What are some tactics that a standard Rog3/Wiz5/Atr7 can use in a one-on-one fight against a standard Ancient Red Dragon?&quot; (for example: Dispel his Protection from Elements), but rather &quot;What are some tactics this partucular DM won't be able to handle?&quot; (e.g., forget about Dispelling, because the dragon likely won't have Protection from Elements up anyway!)Personally, I think you actually have a very decent chance of defeating this dragon. Because I think your DM will let you! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Regardless of the fact that a single 15th level PC attacking an Ancient Red is equivalent to a EL +11 encounter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> (CR 22, +4 because you're on your own).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Conaill, post: 291023, member: 1264"] Nvvyn, if you want us to give you some useful advice, I would have to agree with the earlier person who said that we would need to know more about how your DM runs dragons. An overview of the earlier fight with the blue and red would be *very* helpful. Why? Well, it is abundantly clear to most of the people on this board (although maybe not to [i]you[/i]) that your DM either sucks at playing bad guys, or is cutting you an enormous amount of slack. That makes this an entirely different game from what most of us are familiar with. So your question is not really "What are some tactics that a standard Rog3/Wiz5/Atr7 can use in a one-on-one fight against a standard Ancient Red Dragon?" (for example: Dispel his Protection from Elements), but rather "What are some tactics this partucular DM won't be able to handle?" (e.g., forget about Dispelling, because the dragon likely won't have Protection from Elements up anyway!) Personally, I think you actually have a very decent chance of defeating this dragon. Because I think your DM will let you! :rolleyes: Regardless of the fact that a single 15th level PC attacking an Ancient Red is equivalent to a EL +11 encounter :eek: (CR 22, +4 because you're on your own). [/QUOTE]

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