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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 14976" data-attributes="member: 111">Devil's Advocate time:If the spell "effectively" lowers you con, then isn't your Con lowered for all purposes (but not below 1).  Seems to me it is.Now, assuming your Con is effectively 4, if it gets lowered four more points soemhow, I'd say that's pretty much death.  If the magic of the curse saved you, that would be odd, indeed.  For, you see, the curse did NOT lower your score to "0" - the other effect did that very nicely, thank you very much.Now, if applied in the other order, you get a different result.  you are drained (or whatever) to a Con of 6, then cursed.  You can only go to 1, then.The important thing is that the curse does prevent your con from going below 1, it merely states that the curse itself cannot lower your Con below 1 - no reason why something else couldn't do that.  Thus, the curse itself cannot kill you, but something esle easily could - like the lost hit points or another Con drain of some sort.So I say the Bad, Bad Man (tm) has passed on, gone to the other side, kicked the bucket, deceased, met his demise, departed,  expired, passed away, perished, succumbed to his fate, popped off, checked out, croaked, bit the dust, breathed his last, cashed in, gave up his ghost, went to his grave,  met his Maker , passed on to the Great Beyond, turned up his toes,  ceased to exist.In a word, "died."</blockquote>