Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Beyond Monks - The Art of the Fight
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 137522" data-attributes="member: 172"><p><strong>PDF Pricing</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A few points:</p><p>(1)WotC has recently been putting out <strong><em>48</em></strong> page books for $9.95. Further, I do not agree that it necessarily takes less playtesting; I just reviewed a module that I definitely think deserved more playtesting. At any rate, playtesting is often on a volunteer basis, so I am not so sure how big an impact that should have on you botton line. (Playtesting when done correctly usually involves rewriting, so I can sort of see your point, but again, advetures should be doing that too.)</p><p></p><p>(2)Further, comparing the price of PDF products directly to print products is a false dichotomy. Some people don't have access to laptops convenient for gaming, and even if they do, you can't exactly pass it around the table. Most worthwhile gaming products get printed out, and most people who do so are conscious of the fact that printing things out costs money.</p><p></p><p>I picked up Bastion of Broken Souls at a discount (NOT hard to get) the day before I picked up Beyond Monks. The fact that they were within a dollar of each other yet I knew I would be paying to print out Beyond Monks led me too feel it was a bit pricey.</p><p></p><p>(3)Despite the above, the dollar value of PDFs vs. Print Products may be debatable. However, the fact is that compared to your peers, Beyond Monks is pricey. Beyond Monks is a very nice book, being mechanically solid and well written. But I think it is safe to say that Book of Eldritch Might II and Wild Spellcraft are also well written. Both of those books are 64 page books, and both of those books have more artwork than BM and where at least as well laid-out. Yet both of those books are a full dollar cheaper.</p><p></p><p>Not that I am trying to slam you or anything. I think that point (1) and (2) pertain to the PDF market in general, and I think that the price trend of PDF products in general may make them less of a bargain for d20 consumers than they once were.</p><p></p><p>Point (3) is probably the most telling point for you. That is the marketplace you live in and is probably something you should consider.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, to the more pertinent point: I do have Beyond Monks (obviously). I didn't like the approach at first, but it is growing on me. I have trouble seeing shoehorning the Martial Artist core class into a game where the Monk already exists, but it seems like it could be a good baseline for a fresh martial arts oriented game. I also appreciate how the prestige classes are written to use either monks or martial artists. I would have like to have seen a sample character for the crooked monk, though. I am thinking about writing a review of it... when I get time. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Psion, post: 137522, member: 172"] [b]PDF Pricing[/b] A few points: (1)WotC has recently been putting out [b][i]48[/i][/b][i][/i] page books for $9.95. Further, I do not agree that it necessarily takes less playtesting; I just reviewed a module that I definitely think deserved more playtesting. At any rate, playtesting is often on a volunteer basis, so I am not so sure how big an impact that should have on you botton line. (Playtesting when done correctly usually involves rewriting, so I can sort of see your point, but again, advetures should be doing that too.) (2)Further, comparing the price of PDF products directly to print products is a false dichotomy. Some people don't have access to laptops convenient for gaming, and even if they do, you can't exactly pass it around the table. Most worthwhile gaming products get printed out, and most people who do so are conscious of the fact that printing things out costs money. I picked up Bastion of Broken Souls at a discount (NOT hard to get) the day before I picked up Beyond Monks. The fact that they were within a dollar of each other yet I knew I would be paying to print out Beyond Monks led me too feel it was a bit pricey. (3)Despite the above, the dollar value of PDFs vs. Print Products may be debatable. However, the fact is that compared to your peers, Beyond Monks is pricey. Beyond Monks is a very nice book, being mechanically solid and well written. But I think it is safe to say that Book of Eldritch Might II and Wild Spellcraft are also well written. Both of those books are 64 page books, and both of those books have more artwork than BM and where at least as well laid-out. Yet both of those books are a full dollar cheaper. Not that I am trying to slam you or anything. I think that point (1) and (2) pertain to the PDF market in general, and I think that the price trend of PDF products in general may make them less of a bargain for d20 consumers than they once were. Point (3) is probably the most telling point for you. That is the marketplace you live in and is probably something you should consider. At any rate, to the more pertinent point: I do have Beyond Monks (obviously). I didn't like the approach at first, but it is growing on me. I have trouble seeing shoehorning the Martial Artist core class into a game where the Monk already exists, but it seems like it could be a good baseline for a fresh martial arts oriented game. I also appreciate how the prestige classes are written to use either monks or martial artists. I would have like to have seen a sample character for the crooked monk, though. I am thinking about writing a review of it... when I get time. :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Beyond Monks - The Art of the Fight
Top