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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6228879" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>No it was the mechanics. And I am not alone with the mass exodus to Pathfinder. Some 4E fans seem to have trouble accepting 4E was rejected because of the mechanics and most of that was the class mechanics in the PHB and the absurdities of healing surges and that is before one gets to combat length due to he hit point bloat and easy mode healing which slowed the game to a crawl. Kind of fun for one off type games but once the novelty value wears off you are in trouble. In 10 years or 20 years time I suspect 4E will be long forgotten. There will be no OSR type revival or successful 4E clone and I suspect 13th Age will be gone in a few years time as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>