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<blockquote data-quote="Aenghus" data-source="post: 6229935" data-attributes="member: 2656"><p>Please compare fairly. Eladrin Fey step is a short range teleport limited to line of sight and more akin to a 2nd level spell in previous editions (<em>Dimension Hop</em> or <em>Dimension Leap</em>) . <em>Dimension Door </em>i s a 4th level mid range teleport not requiring line of sight.</p><p></p><p>Magic Jar is primarily a bad guy plot device spell, and often banned for PCs in previous editions (as a houserule). It has the horrible effect of making the caster's body helpless if found, making it difficult for PCs without faithful minions or lackies to use. It's easier to use as a setpiece defence with the caster's body locked in a secret room, not typically a setup accessible to PCs.</p><p></p><p> You are missing the whole point of the 4e "npcs aren't statted as PCs" ethos, in that 4e NPCs can have possession type effects if desired. I used one In my 4e game recently, a disempowered devil who had posssesed an orc and was slowly burning him up from the inside. I've seen 4e ghosts with possession powers, I'm sure. </p><p></p><p>4e PC effects in this area tend to be a lot more constrained, true, but that's the price of them not being plot device spells and thus ban-fodder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aenghus, post: 6229935, member: 2656"] Please compare fairly. Eladrin Fey step is a short range teleport limited to line of sight and more akin to a 2nd level spell in previous editions ([I]Dimension Hop[/I] or [I]Dimension Leap[/I]) . [I]Dimension Door [/I]i s a 4th level mid range teleport not requiring line of sight. Magic Jar is primarily a bad guy plot device spell, and often banned for PCs in previous editions (as a houserule). It has the horrible effect of making the caster's body helpless if found, making it difficult for PCs without faithful minions or lackies to use. It's easier to use as a setpiece defence with the caster's body locked in a secret room, not typically a setup accessible to PCs. You are missing the whole point of the 4e "npcs aren't statted as PCs" ethos, in that 4e NPCs can have possession type effects if desired. I used one In my 4e game recently, a disempowered devil who had posssesed an orc and was slowly burning him up from the inside. I've seen 4e ghosts with possession powers, I'm sure. 4e PC effects in this area tend to be a lot more constrained, true, but that's the price of them not being plot device spells and thus ban-fodder. [/QUOTE]
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