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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6231906" data-attributes="member: 48965">Yes but almost all rpg's (since there may be some which totally buck this standard that I am not familiar with) permit resolution without GM fiat... to a point.  I mean even 4e has things which are not covered by it's rules which must be handled by GM fiat.  So I'm not understanding is there some imaginary line which sets the standard where 4e is judged to "permit resolution without GM fiat" but AD&D 2e doesn't?  They both have gaps which must be filled by GM fiat.  Not if the adversary chosen for a combat is a Level 30 kobold and the party is level one.  They will loose and it's not the resolution mechanics deciding that, it is the DM.  I have seen numerous proponents argue that the encounter guidelines in 4e were just that... guidelines, are you now saying that following them are part of the actual rules of the game?  if not, then tell me what are the actual rules in 4e that constrain the DM from deciding the outcome of a combat in this way?So it's not the rules of the game... it's the advice given.  Couldn't a DM in OD&D, 1e, 2e, BECMI, 3e, etc. who had learned through advice from others, experimented (running mock combats), run enough games, etc. do the exact same thing.  Again you haven't shown me how the rules facilitate this... it still seems like a playstyle issue.  I even find this slightly ironic because you even admit it is guidelines and not the actual rules that you are speaking to. I don't remember reading about a "credibility test" in 4e... is this another instance where you are bringing things from other games in to supplement the way you are reading the rules of 4e?  because what i saw was that the DM decides whether an action is possible and then also how hard or easy it is. Just in deciding the credibility test the DM is in fact deciding it is good for a gonzo fantasy story.  I feel like you're splitting hairs here, if you are judging genre appropriateness then you are deciding whether an action is good or bad for the type of story you want to tell.  If I want a gritty down to earth story then I will rule that action won't work, or I'll make it harder how is that not still the DM shaping the story... especially since not everyone necessarily has the same concepts of genre appropriateness and it is the DM's idea taking precedence...</blockquote>

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