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<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6233240" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>I remain somewhat flabbergasted by the notion that any degree of DM fiat or employment of Rule Zero is "cheating" and tantamount to railroading a game.</p><p></p><p>This is where I see the logic fail. Sort of like saying all cloudy days are alike, whether we're talking a stray cirrus wisp or gray overcast, and thus "the sunny day is ruined" (not to mention that you need gray days every so often to remember what a sunny day is like, but that's only tangentially related in that the clouds end up augmenting the clear sky).</p><p></p><p>I use fiat sparingly, and only when (I feel) it augments the play experience of everyone concerned. I don't "cheat." Actually, if we want to RAW, Rule Zero is not cheating because its implied in ALL editions of D&D. Actually, it isn't implied - its outright stated. </p><p></p><p>In a way I see fiat/Rule Zero as being akin to the <em>Wish </em>spell. It isn't about using it in an overpowering sense that completely upsets the game, but as a way of accomplishing something that otherwise couldn't be accomplished.</p><p></p><p>I'd also question the idea that a DM can "cheat." As Rule Zero is part of the RAW, this doesn't make sense. A DM can, however, make poor decisions that de-stabilize game play, betray player trust, or otherwise mar the play experience. It is less a matter of right or wrong, or black or white, and more a matter of what makes sense contextually, and what the DM ultimately serves. I see the DM as ultimately serving to facilitate enjoyment, so Rule Zero is an escape clause when a certain kind of intervention would increase enjoyment. </p><p></p><p>There are different ways to play D&D, but using that statement to defend one's preferred style while calling Rule Zero "cheating" seems contradictory. It seems that those who see Rule Zero (or fiat, if there's a difference) as cheating can only say so if they house rule it out of the RAW, so then it is only cheating in their house rule version of D&D. Hey, that's fine, but let's call a spade a spade!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 6233240, member: 59082"] I remain somewhat flabbergasted by the notion that any degree of DM fiat or employment of Rule Zero is "cheating" and tantamount to railroading a game. This is where I see the logic fail. Sort of like saying all cloudy days are alike, whether we're talking a stray cirrus wisp or gray overcast, and thus "the sunny day is ruined" (not to mention that you need gray days every so often to remember what a sunny day is like, but that's only tangentially related in that the clouds end up augmenting the clear sky). I use fiat sparingly, and only when (I feel) it augments the play experience of everyone concerned. I don't "cheat." Actually, if we want to RAW, Rule Zero is not cheating because its implied in ALL editions of D&D. Actually, it isn't implied - its outright stated. In a way I see fiat/Rule Zero as being akin to the [I]Wish [/I]spell. It isn't about using it in an overpowering sense that completely upsets the game, but as a way of accomplishing something that otherwise couldn't be accomplished. I'd also question the idea that a DM can "cheat." As Rule Zero is part of the RAW, this doesn't make sense. A DM can, however, make poor decisions that de-stabilize game play, betray player trust, or otherwise mar the play experience. It is less a matter of right or wrong, or black or white, and more a matter of what makes sense contextually, and what the DM ultimately serves. I see the DM as ultimately serving to facilitate enjoyment, so Rule Zero is an escape clause when a certain kind of intervention would increase enjoyment. There are different ways to play D&D, but using that statement to defend one's preferred style while calling Rule Zero "cheating" seems contradictory. It seems that those who see Rule Zero (or fiat, if there's a difference) as cheating can only say so if they house rule it out of the RAW, so then it is only cheating in their house rule version of D&D. Hey, that's fine, but let's call a spade a spade! [/QUOTE]
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