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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6233320" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I think this necessity can be exaggerated. A good general resolution system can cover everything: even if it's as simple as "Roll a d6, and if it comes up 6 the player gets to narrate his/her desired outcome, and otherwise the GM gets to narrate the PC's failure to achieve his/her intent".</p><p></p><p>It's true that these sorts of general resolution systems do not simulate or represent any in-fiction causal process, but such simulation is not a necessary condition of being an effective resolution system.</p><p></p><p>That is certainly one way to play an RPG. It just happens not to be a way that I prefer to play, either as GM or player.</p><p></p><p>As [MENTION=205]TwoSix[/MENTION] pointed out upthread, there is no "logic fail". There is a statement of preference (somewhat generalised to an identifiable playstyle).</p><p></p><p>Although by talking about "any degree of DM fiat" you are leaving important distinctions unanalysed - such as the distinctions between establishing backstory, framing scenes, and determining outcomes of declared actions.</p><p></p><p>I believe that I was the poster who introduced the terminology of "cheating" upthread. And I stated that, playing Gygaxian D&D, changing the dungeon maps or contents without some ingame explanation being available would be cheating (with the ingame explanation, it might be good GMing or highly adversarial GMing, depending on further context).</p><p></p><p>If you are playing a version of D&D in which that sort of GM transformation of backstory is not cheating, fine - from that we can infer that you're not playing Gygaxian D&D.</p><p></p><p>Judging from their posts on this thread plus other parts of their posting history that I'm familiar with, I think that the two posters on this thread who play Gygaxian D&D are [MENTION=66434]ExploderWizard[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6688858]Libramarian[/MENTION]. Certainy not me. And not [MENTION=59082]Mercurius[/MENTION] either, at least judging from posts in this and other threads.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6233320, member: 42582"] I think this necessity can be exaggerated. A good general resolution system can cover everything: even if it's as simple as "Roll a d6, and if it comes up 6 the player gets to narrate his/her desired outcome, and otherwise the GM gets to narrate the PC's failure to achieve his/her intent". It's true that these sorts of general resolution systems do not simulate or represent any in-fiction causal process, but such simulation is not a necessary condition of being an effective resolution system. That is certainly one way to play an RPG. It just happens not to be a way that I prefer to play, either as GM or player. As [MENTION=205]TwoSix[/MENTION] pointed out upthread, there is no "logic fail". There is a statement of preference (somewhat generalised to an identifiable playstyle). Although by talking about "any degree of DM fiat" you are leaving important distinctions unanalysed - such as the distinctions between establishing backstory, framing scenes, and determining outcomes of declared actions. I believe that I was the poster who introduced the terminology of "cheating" upthread. And I stated that, playing Gygaxian D&D, changing the dungeon maps or contents without some ingame explanation being available would be cheating (with the ingame explanation, it might be good GMing or highly adversarial GMing, depending on further context). If you are playing a version of D&D in which that sort of GM transformation of backstory is not cheating, fine - from that we can infer that you're not playing Gygaxian D&D. Judging from their posts on this thread plus other parts of their posting history that I'm familiar with, I think that the two posters on this thread who play Gygaxian D&D are [MENTION=66434]ExploderWizard[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6688858]Libramarian[/MENTION]. Certainy not me. And not [MENTION=59082]Mercurius[/MENTION] either, at least judging from posts in this and other threads. [/QUOTE]
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