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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shalewind" data-source="post: 311259" data-attributes="member: 6146">The CR system is by no means concrete. Hell, I wouldn't even call it stable. Part of the problem is that no one has a ABSOLUTE estimate on how to calculate CRs. In fact WOTC recommends playtesting as the best way to determine CRs. Playtesting... This leads to another problem. Since not all parties of X level are created equally. If a hard core power group of level 5 characters can mop the floor with a CR 8 creature, it doesn't mean ANY group of level 5 guys can treat it as the same challenge.Yes, I am aware of the forumla used here to calculate CRs. While it will give a good estimate approximate to what WOTC presents in the core books, even those numbers are subject to problems.In sum. The CR rating cannot be used as anything more than a rough estimate IMHO. I'd give or take 3 points of CR below character level 10 and anywhere from 5 to 10 points there after.Then again, I know DMs that have had no problem with CRs at all. I guess it all resides in the players abuse, er... selection of their abilites. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>