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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4628677" data-attributes="member: 43019">The standard action to attack is not a 'sustain standard', regardless of whether the ability to use it in the sustain minor text. You need to sustain minor for the spell to function, so you're arguing that you cannot then make a standard attack with it.If it were instead worded 'You may instead use a standard action...', I would agree and that would solve things nicely. That may indeed be RAI, meaning that you also can't sustain for damage and attack another target, at all, making the spell a bit less powerful - which I don't think is a good thing, but it is interesting.I do personally think that you can't sustain it on a target and attack that target with the hand in the same round, but for different reasons already outlined above.I don't think it's clear that you can drop a target from the grab without attacking another target, as the only actions you can take with the hand are outlined in the spell text I'd think, and that's not one of them except as part of the standard... but it might be implied, so I'm not commited. One inherent problem with allowing a target to be dropped as a free action is that it makes a case for sustain, drop, attack, but you could then point to the 'another' wording in the sustain. Weaker case, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 4628677, member: 43019"] The standard action to attack is not a 'sustain standard', regardless of whether the ability to use it in the sustain minor text. You need to sustain minor for the spell to function, so you're arguing that you cannot then make a standard attack with it. If it were instead worded 'You may instead use a standard action...', I would agree and that would solve things nicely. That may indeed be RAI, meaning that you also can't sustain for damage and attack another target, at all, making the spell a bit less powerful - which I don't think is a good thing, but it is interesting. I do personally think that you can't sustain it on a target and attack that target with the hand in the same round, but for different reasons already outlined above. I don't think it's clear that you can drop a target from the grab without attacking another target, as the only actions you can take with the hand are outlined in the spell text I'd think, and that's not one of them except as part of the standard... but it might be implied, so I'm not commited. One inherent problem with allowing a target to be dropped as a free action is that it makes a case for sustain, drop, attack, but you could then point to the 'another' wording in the sustain. Weaker case, though. [/QUOTE]

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