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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9630660" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I strongly disagree with the quoth bit.Most of the games I like have multiple success levels, but not all have a fumble/botch/crit_fail.MegaTraveller has 4 standard levels of success/fail, Exceptional Success, Simple Success, Simple Failure, Exceptional Failure... and Exceptional failure is probably also a fumble, but there's a separate roll for fumble severity, which has 5 levels: none, superficial, minor, major, and destroyed.White Wolf is a count successes system, so is most of Free League's product line. The two lowest I've run as primaries are D&D and Pendragon; Pendragon has 4 success levels in simple rolls (CS, S, F, CF), and 6 in opposed resolution (CS, CT, S, PS, F, CF). D&D has an option for critical results; I used them in 3.X and 5-14 (DMG page 242), and success at cost is allowed for any fail (ibid.) As is allowing an increased failure at failed by 5 or more. (ibid.)Right or wrong, I also used the D&D outcomes range in Stargate (p 134 shows 4 levels, but the rules on checks don't, but combat does.) and Monarchies of Mau... (MoM p 97: Triumph, Success, Failure, Botch - 4 level).I'll note TFT has multiple levels as well - at least in combat. Note that it also modifies target numbers, not the die roll. Combat rolls of 3 are triple damage, of 4 are double, 5 to controlling adjusted attribute are single, higher to 16 are fail, 17 is drop weapon, 18 is break weapon. It's my current. Non combat has 4 levels, but the dice rolls vary by difficulty, as difficulty is in dice rolled.I find 3 levels of success at least one too few. Hell, the one game I've run that's built from a PBTA core concept has 5 outcomes... Sentinel Comics.I've known people who genuinely don't like anything but boolean.They're not the kind who stay at my table.</blockquote>

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