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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9633280" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I find excessive consequences far more discouraging. Both as player and GM. As I said above, a simple failure and move on to other things is indeed the most interesting to me. My groups ask if they can retry rather than assuming, and specify how they're changing the conditions of the check as they do so. This works especially well in Cortex Plus (and by extention, Cortex Prime), Fate, most 2d20 games ... where you can create a temporary asset/aspect/trait to provide a bonus. Or in star wars/genesys, where the fail with opportunity creates a bonus blue die for someone else.My read of AW is that it's not actually Success/Complicated Success/Fail, but Success/Complicated Success/fumble, with no room for the simple fail - Simple fail: you can't retry, someone else with better odds may, either way, the time's spent, and it's time for someone else to get the spotlight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9633280, member: 6779310"] I find excessive consequences far more discouraging. Both as player and GM. As I said above, a simple failure and move on to other things is indeed the most interesting to me. My groups ask if they can retry rather than assuming, and specify how they're changing the conditions of the check as they do so. This works especially well in Cortex Plus (and by extention, Cortex Prime), Fate, most 2d20 games ... where you can create a temporary asset/aspect/trait to provide a bonus. Or in star wars/genesys, where the fail with opportunity creates a bonus blue die for someone else. My read of AW is that it's not actually Success/Complicated Success/Fail, but Success/Complicated Success/fumble, with no room for the simple fail - Simple fail: you can't retry, someone else [U]with better odds[/U] may, either way, the time's spent, and it's time for someone else to get the spotlight. [/QUOTE]

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