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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eltab" data-source="post: 8134620" data-attributes="member: 6803337">Audience expectationsIntrigued player: What does a Binder do?You:  A Binder uses magic to draw power from almost-forgotten spiritsPlayer: If he uses magic, where are his spells?Certainly you can design a Binder without spells - to be a 'Warlock variant' much like a spell-less Ranger variant - but if you advertise the class as 'a spellcaster' then people will expect a spell list for the class, as a guide to the "flavor" of the Binder based on the spells available.I can see creating a Binder via Invocations or via spells; either way is good by me, and equally valid.My knowledge coming in is the 4e Vestige'lock but I missed the 3e Binder.  I'm thinking about how to make 'what is a Binder's shtick?' intuitive for people without much background in the concept.</blockquote>