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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3861736" data-attributes="member: 18">Warhammer itself isn't huge, but then you over-estimate how huge Warcraft was, I suspect. Warcraft was by no means, say, "Diablo 2" huge. The average American consumer, pre-WoW, had heard of neither Warhammer or Warcraft. Only "gamers" had heard of either, typically.If you read the official WoW boards (and god help you if you do), you will see a very high level of awareness of WAR amongst WoW players (who themselves regularly refer to WoW as "Waiting on Warhammer"). They may not know or care about the Warhammer universe, but they do know about Warhammer online and how it might be a big deal. On MMORPG.com it's usually at the top of the hype-meter.Let me be explicit - WAR will not be successful because Warhammer Fantasy Battle is successful. If it was relying of WHFB fans, it'd be a flop. It will be successful because it is a well-designed, casual-friendly "WoW clone" (in the best sense) with superior RvR/PvP design on all levels (from accessibility to long-term play - just like WoW has superior PvE design to previous games), and it has the "marketing oomph" of Electronic Arts behind it, which is not insignificant.As for D3, well, we can hope <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Certainly Project Medusa is probably either D3 or WoW2. Blizzard's CEO has specifically stated that when his designers say that they've gone "as far as they can go" with WoW, they will make WoW2. He made no mention of inserting a WC4 in-between, and indeed, I doubt that'd happen, personally.Mourn - Wow, you're really deeply confused about WAR despite knowing some things, aren't you?First off you "knock"(?) WAR for having similar mechanics to WoW and claim that it's PvP is thus similar to WoW (it ain't, in the least), then you claim WAR is appealling to a "hardcore" market (it isn't and this point is contradictory to the first). You're right on the mechanics, and horribly confused on the rest. WAR's entire PvP setup is different to WoW, with RvR (side-based PvP) encouraged, yet "griefing"-type play utterly impossible (rather than extremely easy, as it is in WoW). The whole setup has learnt from WoW in the way WoW learnt from other MMOs. It's designed to MORE CASUAL-FRIENDLY than WoW, so claiming otherwise seems a little mind-bending. The designers have gone on about how it's a "spend a little or a lot of time" kind of game, and without endgame raiding, and with some revolutionary functionality like Public Quests, there's literally no possible way to argue WAR, as described, is less casual-friendly than WoW. None. Like I said though, it won't get WoW numbers, but if it doesn't get good numbers, I will be very surprised.On the other hand, I completely agree about KotOR.Looks like current evidence only further supports KotOR-related rumours, of course.</blockquote>

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